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Trinity: True or False?

17 Feb

The doctrine of the Trinity defines God as one Triune God, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  We believe them to be co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections.

Let’s see if we can prove the trinity doctrine is false based on scripture.

First Jesus can not be coequal with His Father because He declared His Father “my God” while on the cross before His resurrection:

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Then Jesus declared His Father “my God” after His resurrection but before His final ascension into heaven:

John 20:17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.

Then Jesus declared His Father “my God” 4 times after His ascension while seated at the right hand of His Father:

Revelation 3:12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Paul and Peter both agreed with Jesus that the Father is the God of Jesus:

Romans 15:6 that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for evermore knoweth that I lie not.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul also made it very clear that our Father is the head of Christ putting Himself in authority over Christ just as Christ is the head of man and thus in authority over him:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Next if the Holy Spirit is a distinct person of the trinity then why does He not have a throne with the Father and the Son:

Revelation 3:21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.

This is because the Holy Spirit does not have his own soul and body with which to sit on a throne like the Father and His Son Jesus have.

Jesus has a spirit, soul, body, and a throne:

Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour. But for this cause came I unto this hour.

Matthew 26:12 For in that she poured this ointment upon my body, she did it to prepare me for burial.

Matthew 25:31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:

The Father has a Spirit, soul, body, and a throne:

Matthew 12:18 Behold, my servant whom I have chosen; My beloved in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my Spirit upon him, And he shall declare judgment to the Gentiles.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till thrones were placed, and one that was ancient of days did sit: his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, and the wheels thereof burning fire.

Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Both Hebrews 12:2 and Daniel 7:13-14 prove that Jesus as the son of man sits at the right of His Father who is the ancient of days:

Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. (14) And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

There is not one scripture that declares the Holy Spirit has a soul, physical body, or a throne as the Father and Son but He is seen as the bodily form of a dove when descending on Jesus:

Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son: in thee I am well pleased.

This is because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father:

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.

The Holy Spirit is the omnipresent aspect of God the Father that dwells in us:

John 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 2:10-12 But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (11) For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. (12) But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.

Many claim such passages as Matthew 28:19 prove the trinity doctrine is true but the words “Father”, “Son”, and “Holy Spirit” are not names but titles. The word “name” in the Greek is “onoma” which means nature, character, and authority so Jesus was telling His disciples to baptize new disciples into the nature, character, and authority of the “Father”, “Son”, and “Holy Spirit”:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

The “Father”, “Son”, and “Holy Spirit” are one in nature, character, and authority because our Father through His Holy Spirit gave Jesus His nature, character, and authority:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

1 Corinthians 1:24 but unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

2 Peter 1:2-4 Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; (3) seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us by his own glory and virtue; (4) whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

Luke 22:69 But from henceforth shall the Son of man be seated at the right hand of the power of God.

Many teachers point to this verse to declare the Father and Jesus are one in essence:

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

But Jesus proved that He and Father were only one in unity and not essence:

John 17:11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;

Jesus was praying to His Father in John chapter 17 for His disciples that “they may be one, even as we are one”. We as disciples can only ever be one in unity so Jesus is declaring He is one in unity with His Father and not essence:

John 17:20-21 Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word; (21) that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; (6)  yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.

Most teachers scoff at the idea that Jesus had a beginning but the scriptures prove He was the first born of all creation:

Colossians 1:13-15 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; (14) in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: (15)  who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

We know that Jesus is the Word of God:

Revelation 19:13 And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

We know that Jesus was the Word before He became flesh:

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.

We know that Jesus as the Word of God is the wisdom of God:

1 Corinthians 1:24 but unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

As the Wisdom of God, He spoke as the Word of God in the OT:

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send unto them prophets and apostles; and some of them they shall kill and persecute;

We know that the Word of God who is Jesus is the same from the Old Testament through the New Testament and for ever:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, (yea) and for ever.

So if the wisdom of God is the Word of God who is Jesus let’s see what “Wisdom” has to say about Himself:

Proverbs 8:12-36  I wisdom have made prudence my dwelling, And find out knowledge and discretion. (13) The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: Pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, And the perverse mouth, do I hate. (14) Counsel is mine, and sound knowledge: I am understanding; I have might. (15) By me kings reign, And princes decree justice. (16) By me princes rule, And nobles, even all the judges of the earth. (17)  I love them that love me; And those that seek me diligently shall find me. (18) Riches and honor are with me; Yea, durable wealth and righteousness. (19) My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; And my revenue than choice silver. (20)  I walk in the way of righteousness, In the midst of the paths of justice; (21) That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance, And that I may fill their treasuries. (22) The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. (23)  I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. (24) When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. (25) Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; (26) While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. (27) When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, (28) When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, (29) When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; (30)  Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight, Rejoicing always before him, (31) Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men. (32)  Now therefore, my sons, hearken unto me; For blessed are they that keep my ways. (33) Hear instruction, and be wise, And refuse it not. (34)  Blessed is the man that heareth me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at the posts of my doors. (35) For whoso findeth me findeth life, And shall obtain favor of the Lord. (36) But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: All they that hate me love death.

Father possessed His Word in the beginning and set Him up before the earth was, before the depths of the seas, and before the hills were. Father brought forth His Word out of Him as His master workman that He used to speak forth His creation:

Psalms 33:6-9  By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, And all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. (7) He gathereth the waters of the sea together as a heap: He layeth up the deeps in store-houses. (8) Let all the earth fear the Lord: Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. (9) For he spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.

While all of Proverbs 8:12-36 is clearly Jesus speaking of His being brought forth from the Father, verses 34 and 35 also clearly prove Jesus is declaring Himself the door that we enter into life through:

John 10:9  I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture.

Jesus also declared himself “the beginning of the creation of God” when speaking to John on the isle of Patmos:

Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:

Father spoke forth His Word as “the beginning of the creation of God” and declared Him our God and then used His Word as His master workman to make all of the rest of His creation through Him”:

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3)  All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.

Colossians 1:15-17 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; (16) for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (17) and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

Our Father is the Most High God who spoke forth His Word and declared it our God under Him:

Psalms 82:1-8 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods. (2) How long will ye judge unjustly, And respect the persons of the wicked? Selah. (3) Judge the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. (4) Rescue the poor and needy: Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. (5) They know not, neither do they understand; They walk to and fro in darkness: All the foundations of the earth are shaken. (6)  I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. (7) Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes. (8) Arise, O God, judge the earth; For thou shalt inherit all the nations.

We have a right to be joint heirs as gods under the Son of God who is our head: 

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Romans 8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And as I pointed out earlier the head of Jesus is the Most High God:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The English word “Godhead” comes from the Greek word “theotes” which means supreme divinity or “head God”:

Colossians 2:8-10 Take heed lest there shall be any one that maketh spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ: (9)  for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, (10) and in him ye are made full, who is the head of all principality and power:

So in Jesus “dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” who is the Most High God who Jesus always referred to as “my Father” and we as Christians do too:

Jeremiah 3:19 But I said, How I will put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of the nations! and I said, Ye shall call me My Father, and shall not turn away from following me.

John 14:10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works. (11) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. (12) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.

When Jesus said “I am in the Father” He was saying he was the Word that was always in the Father just like our Words are always in us and when we speak it should be a manifestation of who we are as believers:

Matthew 12:36-37 And I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (37) For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

When Jesus said “the Father in me” He was saying the Father’s Word(s) and His Spirit were in Him just like they should be in us:

Matthew 10:19-20 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak. (20)  For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me:

So the true believer is filled with the Word of the Father, the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of Christ:

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This is why Peter could accuse Ananias as a believer of lying to both God and the Holy Spirit. The presence of God was represented through His omnipresent Holy Spirit:

Acts 5:3-4  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land?  (4)  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

So the trinity doctrine as it is worded above is false doctrine. A true description of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is:

“Our Father is the Most High God who has a Holy Spirit. He brought forth His Word as the beginning of His creation and declared Him our God. He then had His Word become flesh as Jesus the Lamb of God.”

 
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